I would like to note that even though it's the state, I do have created parties for some of the organizations that handle various part of our social system... and I want to be able to associate those payable accounts to those parties.
FWIW I have a party "RAM" for "Sécurité sociale", "URSSAF" for "Allocations familiales" and "CIPAV" for "Retraite". They don't send invoices but their payment notices are treated likewise, noted as an expense one one side (64*) and as a debt on the other side (43*).
Question: Do I read correctly, that organizations like RAM" for "Sécurité sociale", "URSSAF" for "Allocations familiales" and "CIPAV" for "Retraite" themselves couldn't use the account chart in its current state?
Cédric, I don't think that switching the type to "payable" forces anyone to create parties and to use those when entering payments... it merely makes it possible, no?
Mathias, I'm not sure that I understand you. Those entities can probably use the current account chart since it's standardized. The questions is whether I'm allowed to create (in my own accounting) "parties" for those entities and whether I can associate them to the proper accounts in the "Account payable" field of those parties. The accounting rules requires us to store social debts in the 43* accounts.
So it's better to not push users to work this way and make it complicated for people who (like me) find it natural to use parties to represent all entities that we are interacting with?
I don't think the balance is on the good side here. But it's up to you. Associating to entities make it much more easy to enter the payments and relate them to the corresponding debt.
On 11 Sep 11:23, Raphaël Hertzog wrote:
> So it's better to not push users to work this way and make it complicated for people who (like me) find it natural to use parties to represent all entities that we are interacting with?
It will be more complicate because more accounts will be selectable.
> I don't think the balance is on the good side here. But it's up to you. Associating to entities make it much more easy to enter the payments and relate them to the corresponding debt.
So what's the next step to get this going forward?
You said:
> It will be more complicate because more accounts will be selectable.
But the number of payable accounts remain reasonable even after this change. We go from 13 payable accounts to 17 payable accounts. It's not worse than the list of taxes for example... and in this case, the names are well differentiated so the risk of mistake is lower.